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		<title>By: dino</title>
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		<dc:creator>dino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 02:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S.A. should be banned for thinking they are so right and humane. It is a figment of their imagination that they know it all. Let the U.S.A. be banned and have Canada or Honduras in their place. The Cup should runneth over in sports not politics. And one more thing. Viva Brasil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S.A. should be banned for thinking they are so right and humane. It is a figment of their imagination that they know it all. Let the U.S.A. be banned and have Canada or Honduras in their place. The Cup should runneth over in sports not politics. And one more thing. Viva Brasil.</p>
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		<title>By: Afshin Afshar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afshin Afshar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 02:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, I would like to ask everyone to try to focus on football. Politics is a very interesting topic and I for one am a big fan of talking about it. But, lets not over do it on this forum if we can. We obviousely are not going to resolve any problems here, so let&#039;s stay on the sweet topic of kicking the round thing into the net! Cheers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I would like to ask everyone to try to focus on football. Politics is a very interesting topic and I for one am a big fan of talking about it. But, lets not over do it on this forum if we can. We obviousely are not going to resolve any problems here, so let&#8217;s stay on the sweet topic of kicking the round thing into the net! Cheers <img src='http://iran.worldcupblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kamyar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamyar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 00:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that you were intentionally broadening the topic the topic from the initial post.

Apartheid in S. Africa and &quot;Gender Segregation and throwing people in prison for their speech&quot; in Iran is incomparable.  It&#039;s &quot;ludicrious&quot; that you would think otherwise.  The most cursory search on the internet will make this point obvious.  People in Iran may be tortured and imprisoned for their political opposition to the government or for other ridiculous reasons, but nothing happens to them because of the color of their skin, and 90% of them are not destined from birth to be oppressed by the laws of the nation.  Women in Iran may have it bad, but they don&#039;t have it as bad as did the  black Africans in S. Africa -- they have not been &quot;resettled&quot; on &quot;homelands&quot; and given fallow land to live on; they have not been systematically denied the most basic amenities like plumbing and electricity; there are not laws forbidding them from getting the same education as everyone else in the country; etc. etc. etc.  I don&#039;t know what you think is going on in Iran, but it&#039;s not that bad, that&#039;s for sure. 

If you&#039;re comparing S. Africa to Iran, then I&#039;m definitely entitled to compare Brazil to Saudi Arabia.  Who are you to decide what transgressions rise to the level of punishment and which ones don&#039;t?  In fact, who should decide -- the West, the East?  The results are obviously subjective and will differ depending on the deciding party.    Maybe that&#039;s why they say sports shouldn&#039;t mix with politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that you were intentionally broadening the topic the topic from the initial post.</p>
<p>Apartheid in S. Africa and &#8220;Gender Segregation and throwing people in prison for their speech&#8221; in Iran is incomparable.  It&#8217;s &#8220;ludicrious&#8221; that you would think otherwise.  The most cursory search on the internet will make this point obvious.  People in Iran may be tortured and imprisoned for their political opposition to the government or for other ridiculous reasons, but nothing happens to them because of the color of their skin, and 90% of them are not destined from birth to be oppressed by the laws of the nation.  Women in Iran may have it bad, but they don&#8217;t have it as bad as did the  black Africans in S. Africa &#8212; they have not been &#8220;resettled&#8221; on &#8220;homelands&#8221; and given fallow land to live on; they have not been systematically denied the most basic amenities like plumbing and electricity; there are not laws forbidding them from getting the same education as everyone else in the country; etc. etc. etc.  I don&#8217;t know what you think is going on in Iran, but it&#8217;s not that bad, that&#8217;s for sure. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re comparing S. Africa to Iran, then I&#8217;m definitely entitled to compare Brazil to Saudi Arabia.  Who are you to decide what transgressions rise to the level of punishment and which ones don&#8217;t?  In fact, who should decide &#8212; the West, the East?  The results are obviously subjective and will differ depending on the deciding party.    Maybe that&#8217;s why they say sports shouldn&#8217;t mix with politics.</p>
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		<title>By: kia</title>
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		<dc:creator>kia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 17:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the bright side, I&#039;m glad that Iranian women, on merit of their athletes, have been given the chance to cheer their team in Germany. With the restriction placed on them at home, this is a rare opportunity. Let&#039;s hope this is not taken away from them and all Iranians for that matter.

Best wishes for Team Melli!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the bright side, I&#8217;m glad that Iranian women, on merit of their athletes, have been given the chance to cheer their team in Germany. With the restriction placed on them at home, this is a rare opportunity. Let&#8217;s hope this is not taken away from them and all Iranians for that matter.</p>
<p>Best wishes for Team Melli!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway... I&#039;ve said my piece.  And I actually hope Iran does well at the WC (like I said it is too late to ban them now and on merit they deserve to be in Germany).  

Stick it to Portugal Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway&#8230; I&#8217;ve said my piece.  And I actually hope Iran does well at the WC (like I said it is too late to ban them now and on merit they deserve to be in Germany).  </p>
<p>Stick it to Portugal Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Gender Segregation and throwing people in prison for their speech is less worse or important than apartheid?

It doesn&#039;t matter why certain EU politicians don&#039;t want Iran going to Germany, I&#039;m talking about why Iran should have been banned from the outset along with a number of other countries.

And I haven&#039;t mentioned Saudi Arabia, because we aren&#039;t talking about Saudi Arabia, but of course they deserve to be banned as well.

Brazil&#039;s transgressions don&#039;t rise to the level of punishment.  Comparing Brazil to Iran or Saudi Arabia is ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Gender Segregation and throwing people in prison for their speech is less worse or important than apartheid?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter why certain EU politicians don&#8217;t want Iran going to Germany, I&#8217;m talking about why Iran should have been banned from the outset along with a number of other countries.</p>
<p>And I haven&#8217;t mentioned Saudi Arabia, because we aren&#8217;t talking about Saudi Arabia, but of course they deserve to be banned as well.</p>
<p>Brazil&#8217;s transgressions don&#8217;t rise to the level of punishment.  Comparing Brazil to Iran or Saudi Arabia is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamyar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamyar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 12:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t we quietly mixing issues here?  According to the article (and, in fact, the whole reason this discussion has surfaced in the past couple of months), the reason these EU lawmakers and other proponents want to ban Iran  from the World Cup is not because of its human rights violations, but because of &quot;statements from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calling for the destruction of Israel and denying the Holocaust, as well as Iran&#039;s refusal to renounce its nuclear activity.&quot;  These are both political issues and have nothing to do with Iran&#039;s human rights record which, as it has already been stated, is no worse than many of the other countries that are either currently going to the World Cup or were eligible to play in the World Cup qualifying rounds.   No one is talking about the human rights violations of Saudi Arabia or Brazil.  Clearly then, the issue is not Iran&#039;s human rights record, which I agree is abysmal, but Ahmadinejad&#039;s statements and Iran&#039;s nuclear program.  To suggest that the actions taken against South Africa set a precedent for taking action against Iran is disingenious (to say the least).  Why don&#039;t we ban Italy from the World Cup because its prime minister stated that Western civilization is superior to Islamic civilization, or ban the countries that actually have nuclear weapons?  I guess it is still true that history is written by the winners.

Even assuming that we are talking about banning Iran from the World Cup because of its human rights violations, using S. Africa as a precedent to do so is flawed on so many different levels.  But that discussion is for another time and another site.

Man, I can&#039;t wait for the World Cup!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t we quietly mixing issues here?  According to the article (and, in fact, the whole reason this discussion has surfaced in the past couple of months), the reason these EU lawmakers and other proponents want to ban Iran  from the World Cup is not because of its human rights violations, but because of &#8220;statements from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad calling for the destruction of Israel and denying the Holocaust, as well as Iran&#8217;s refusal to renounce its nuclear activity.&#8221;  These are both political issues and have nothing to do with Iran&#8217;s human rights record which, as it has already been stated, is no worse than many of the other countries that are either currently going to the World Cup or were eligible to play in the World Cup qualifying rounds.   No one is talking about the human rights violations of Saudi Arabia or Brazil.  Clearly then, the issue is not Iran&#8217;s human rights record, which I agree is abysmal, but Ahmadinejad&#8217;s statements and Iran&#8217;s nuclear program.  To suggest that the actions taken against South Africa set a precedent for taking action against Iran is disingenious (to say the least).  Why don&#8217;t we ban Italy from the World Cup because its prime minister stated that Western civilization is superior to Islamic civilization, or ban the countries that actually have nuclear weapons?  I guess it is still true that history is written by the winners.</p>
<p>Even assuming that we are talking about banning Iran from the World Cup because of its human rights violations, using S. Africa as a precedent to do so is flawed on so many different levels.  But that discussion is for another time and another site.</p>
<p>Man, I can&#8217;t wait for the World Cup!</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kia,

i never said standing up to an authoritarian regime is easy.  i don&#039;t presume it is.  but if the iranians want a better life, and they don&#039;t want to go to jail for political thoughts, and if they want to see game if they have breasts, they are going to have to do something about their government even if it means they get hurt, thrown in jail, or killed.

i don&#039;t take jack for granted, but i&#039;m not the one who lives in a country where religous freaks tell people what they can and cannot do.

as an outsider all i can do is take a stand against the mullahs. one way i can do that is to advocate for banning all iranian sports teams from international competition until the iranian government lets their people go free. and that&#039;s a hell of a lot less dangerous than advocating war or economic sanctions, because the only that is hurt is country&#039;s pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kia,</p>
<p>i never said standing up to an authoritarian regime is easy.  i don&#8217;t presume it is.  but if the iranians want a better life, and they don&#8217;t want to go to jail for political thoughts, and if they want to see game if they have breasts, they are going to have to do something about their government even if it means they get hurt, thrown in jail, or killed.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t take jack for granted, but i&#8217;m not the one who lives in a country where religous freaks tell people what they can and cannot do.</p>
<p>as an outsider all i can do is take a stand against the mullahs. one way i can do that is to advocate for banning all iranian sports teams from international competition until the iranian government lets their people go free. and that&#8217;s a hell of a lot less dangerous than advocating war or economic sanctions, because the only that is hurt is country&#8217;s pride.</p>
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		<title>By: kia</title>
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		<dc:creator>kia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 00:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t you think the Iranian people will do something about their backwards government if the world doesn’t allow their pride and joy play in the WC or Olympics because of their government?&quot; 

Living in a democratic society like US, we are so accustomed to the freedoms we enjoy that it&#039;s hard to comperhend what people in otherwise repressive societies face.  From personal experience, I can tell you that many Iraninans who did something to defend their most basic freedoms, would it be choice of the clothes they wear, music they listen to, or news they read, have ended up in jail or executed for it. Now, do you think they lack motivation to stand against their governmnet. They don&#039;t! They already got millions of reason to resist their governmnet. But, it&#039;s just not as easy as you and me think! They would be risking their lives (and many do everyday). People love their pride and joy! But they like to live first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t you think the Iranian people will do something about their backwards government if the world doesn’t allow their pride and joy play in the WC or Olympics because of their government?&#8221; </p>
<p>Living in a democratic society like US, we are so accustomed to the freedoms we enjoy that it&#8217;s hard to comperhend what people in otherwise repressive societies face.  From personal experience, I can tell you that many Iraninans who did something to defend their most basic freedoms, would it be choice of the clothes they wear, music they listen to, or news they read, have ended up in jail or executed for it. Now, do you think they lack motivation to stand against their governmnet. They don&#8217;t! They already got millions of reason to resist their governmnet. But, it&#8217;s just not as easy as you and me think! They would be risking their lives (and many do everyday). People love their pride and joy! But they like to live first.</p>
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		<title>By: Afshin Afshar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Afshin Afshar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 23:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyle,

To get an understanding for my position on the issue of women please go to my own website, follow the links on this post, and perhaps read a few of the comments.

Cheers,

http://www.lastkick.com/?p=914</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle,</p>
<p>To get an understanding for my position on the issue of women please go to my own website, follow the links on this post, and perhaps read a few of the comments.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lastkick.com/?p=914" rel="nofollow">http://www.lastkick.com/?p=914</a></p>
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